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you unlock this door with the key of

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beyond it is another dimension it's

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i don't know what happened to the driver

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hello this is malcolm robinson and

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you're listening to the paranormal uk

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radio network the uk's biggest

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paranormal network and this is

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hello and welcome to this week's show

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thank you for the introduction malcolm

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on this show we'll be taking slight

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detour into the world of fiction but

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with a touch of paranormal truth mixed

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into it my guess is going to be shaney

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struthers who's written quite a number

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of books i'll just tell you a bit more

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about that in a moment

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but if you would like to get in touch

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with me at any time my email address is

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david young 2qn yahoo.com uk

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that's david young 2qn at yahoo.com uk

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now on to today's guest her name is

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cheney strathers she was born and bred

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in brighton uk

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shane is the author of 22 supernatural

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thrillers so far

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some set in various locations in england

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others in far more far-flung

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destinations such as venice in america

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having been brought up with an

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understanding of the occult and

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alternative views on religion she

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threads this knowledge throughout her

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books often drawing on real life

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experiences of her own from people she's

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known and from well-known occult figures

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her books tend to revolve more around

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psychological horror than pure horror

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which in her opinion is far more

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zombies or such like in her fiction

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her psychic survey series have proved

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very popular becoming global amazon

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genre bestsellers

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her new series this haunted world is a

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set of standalone books section around

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the world's most haunted places and

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again we fact with fiction they too have

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so i take great pleasure in introducing

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shaney struggles hello shaney welcome to

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the show hi there thank you for having

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me now i i was just saying to off here

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that i was actually drawn to your books

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because because of the couple i know you

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shouldn't tell a book by its cover but i

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the covers fascinate me the titles

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fascinate me um

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how did you come about

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starting to write

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psychological horror books because i did

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do a little bit of research i think your

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first book is appears to me

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was called the runaway year in 2013.

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is that true indeed it was right okay

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yes that is that is a terrible truth

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david is a terrible truth no um i did

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when i first started off um i've been a

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writer all my life basically i left i

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studied english at university and then i

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left university and i um i got into the

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travel industry and i wrote for the

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travel industry for 20 years

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thought what shall i write and i've

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always loved horror don't get me wrong

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horror is my first love pattern we all

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first love always has been i was brought

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like the word her paranormal you know

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i'm you've been used to it all my life

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but i wanted to write a book and i

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thought i'm right right and i had this

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idea and it was a idea for a romance set

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in cornwall uh north cornwall tintagel

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got it published wrote the sequel which

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trilogy to that um which i

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third one i pulled it from them in the

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end because i wasn't very happy with the

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publisher

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and i've i've i've republished it under

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a different name but um yeah i loved it

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really loved writing but i was done with

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romance after you know i just don't have

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the imagination for it right and i think

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that also you're faced with there's so

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much of it out there as well doesn't

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there with um oh yeah i mean it's really

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popular it's the most popular genre and

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if you can crack it you can crack it but

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you've written them all and also i don't

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actually read romance right so i read

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i'll just say i wonder if it was based

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on personal experiences or something you

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know no no it's just a little idea and i

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as did as did the runaway x

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but it's not what i wanted to do so i

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jumped ship and

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i wrote the first book in the psychic

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survey series which is the haunting of

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high down hall and it escalated from

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there and i've since written 22.

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um yeah i'll say to you i think i was

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going to say i wasn't sure if it was 21

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or 22.

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this is

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a young girl as well i'm not younger

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well you're not old are you you still

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got a lot in you

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you've got another book coming out

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i've got the damn season coming out in

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the first of november that's um so i i

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tend to write christmas ghost stories if

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i can if i can fit them into my yearly

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uh and they're shorter novels uh sort of

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carfax house was last year's christmas

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ghost story

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i say ghost story

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i i i tend to explore to explore all

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aspects of the paranormal and i tend to

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ask within the books just what does

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constitute a haunting

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the obvious usually

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it can be psychological for example yeah

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sure i mean also you can get um like in

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the poltergeist world for instance um it

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can be caused by children can't it with

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psychological problems i can see yeah

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especially teenage girls apparently

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uh able to manifest um

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deep-seated feelings and emotions in a

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in a physical way

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yeah yeah i remember that film

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in the book obviously it was stephen

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king carrie which was quite oh yeah

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heavy heavy story wasn't it it's uh

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i think i really did that recently

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didn't they they did which wasn't as

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good as the old one [\h__\h] spacek now and

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that was one of the first horrors i've i

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and i was i remember i was only about 13

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i was so engrossed in it and a strange

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thing happened because i'm quite good at

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manifesting as well

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well i was reading the um

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you know the scene where the the pig's

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blood falls on their heads horrible and

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you do heartbreaking

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um and i looked up and there was blood

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all over my hand

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and i thought oh i've cut myself

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so i put the book down went and got a uh

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tissue and there was no cut anywhere

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but as i say i can manifest things

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thought it was a strawberry jam or

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something at the gym no it wasn't i

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wasn't eating any toast or anything like

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i'm sorry you have to excuse more sense

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of humor

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the psychic surveys book are they

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actually the same characters though or

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or they do absolutely different stories

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what what the psychic survey theory is

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series but in the psychic survey series

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they're all the same characters yeah

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a quartet of

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kick out kick-ass females psychics

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ness and karina plus you've got the

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ghost dog jed who is um

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uh sort of ruby's companion um shall we

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characters everyone loves jed everyone

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wants a jedi by their side a ghost dog

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why wouldn't you we've probably all got

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ghost dogs by our side all the thought

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we i think we will we've all lost dogs

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they can see it but i do hear that

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people do sense their dogs around them

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as well they're all big dead dogs

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us really isn't it

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if you open your eyes and look so in the

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paranormal world what is your favorite

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sort of genre is it ghosts and um

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haltings

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yeah yeah ghosts and haunted i'm not

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i really am not i'm not into um vampires

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don't mind a bit of wit you know the uh

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witches i do like a witch

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i really i like sort of

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horror paranormal whatever you want to

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call it on a on a more psychological

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that's what fascinates me yeah i know

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what you mean about the horror aspects

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of it um yeah sort of they shouldn't

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have a direction it just goes into like

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um the slasher movies and that sort of

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thing doesn't it exactly and they're

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highly predictable there yeah you know

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but they are good fun i mean you know

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amount of slasher movies in my time you

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but i think um

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it comes a point when you perhaps go on

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to another level with it maybe if you've

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got a real fascination with it yeah

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probably in the like the stephen king

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type of book because they're actually

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like a psychological horror most of

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those aren't they with a supernatural

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twist yeah on most of them

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yeah and also we go back to the alfred

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hitchcock series

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the old boobies they were very

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psychologically uh horror and yeah not

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really supernatural

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no

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they still creep you out and and that's

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what the fascinating thing is about it

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or you know that

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doesn't have to be horror as such it it

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can still have the same creep factor the

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same

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you know scare fact and in fact more if

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not more i mean i think that one of the

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books i think one is one of my favorite

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books is the haunting of hill house by

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shirley jackson

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and that's a real less is more

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um type of bird i don't know if you've

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read it it's only a smile i haven't

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did they make a movie of that i'm sure

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yeah it's honestly

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oh the old black and white movie was

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great actually uh the one with claire

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bloom um anything else after that really

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don't bother with

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but um

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it's a real it was all about well is it

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haunted is that uh is that someone

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outside my door is that someone in that

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other room that you know

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it was all left to your imagination so

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your imagination of course was being fed

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and it just ran wild

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yeah um fascinating it's a good good

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book and it's only a short book it's

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only a short novel i think i think most

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of the best stories ghost stories are

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quite yeah the context i remember

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the compact collections used to get the

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ghost stories and they were like little

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short stories and maybe yeah maybe

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five or seven pages or something yeah

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yeah yeah

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definitely lends itself to that i think

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yeah because you've got to fit quite a

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lot you know i think with a a large book

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or a full size yeah you've got to sort

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of develop the characters and everything

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haven't you yeah but in the ghost story

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you're just getting an incident in the

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certain time time frame sort of yeah

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susan hill does that very well well as

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well you know the woman in black yes the

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small hand and although she does that

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very well the small short sharp ghost

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story

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so they're real inspirations for me

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although most of my books do tend to be

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you know full-length novels but i do

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like to crank out the um the shorter

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christmas ghost story yeah oh you

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constantly working on them all the time

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well constantly yeah

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it looks like you get sort of about

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maybe two a year out from what i can see

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here

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um i suppose i get two full-length

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novels and a shorter novel which is be

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the christmas ghost story so yeah two

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and a half

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how do you keep developing your you know

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how do you develop those stories or is

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it just something this is something that

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comes to you or

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yeah well i think once you open the old

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floodgates i think the ideas do come

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through all the time i mean i've got

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them backed up in my head and i think i

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want to get onto this i want to get into

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that but i must finish this one first

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um so yeah i mean like like i said i've

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got the damn season coming out in the

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first of november which is the christmas

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ghost story but

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um

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25 000 wires into the next this haunted

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world right look so you actually

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sometimes you're working on two at once

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yeah yeah sometimes i do

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and sometimes i have a break as well

379
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strangely enough sometimes i think i'm

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going to give myself you know a couple

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of weeks off three or four two three

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weeks off

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and i hate it can't bear it i think i'm

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a workaholic yeah maybe i have to force

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myself not to work

386
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literally force myself not to do it i

387
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guess it's nice because you can do it

388
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from home anyway can't you you're not

389
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sort of having to go to the office every

390
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day or something no

391
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no i mean i i work full time and i work

392
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you know life outsider writing but i

393
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still man you know

394
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22 books 22 paranormal books in but you

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throw in the other three that's 22 25

396
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but so

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you know i'm quite i'm i'm an old hand

398
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i'm quite fast

399
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yes yeah i'll just say um i think i

400
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mentioned it before that

401
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your books sort of draw you the covers

402
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draw you and i was actually drawn to the

403
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covers and yeah

404
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the designs and the titles sort of

405
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really sort of grab you

406
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and then

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it does your covers

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that's a lady called gina dickerson and

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she's from rosewolf design

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and she does all my covers and she's

411
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absolutely brilliant i just basically

412
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tell her what i want and she's so in

413
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tune with me and probably all her other

414
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clients too she just

415
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gives you a whole load of variations on

416
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what you've asked for and there it is

417
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the perfect cover invariably yeah they

418
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are they're fabulous i mean i will put

419
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the pictures of all the books on my

420
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paranormal dimensions page anyway so

421
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anyone wants to see them because they

422
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are yeah i mean you can always see them

423
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on amazon anyway if you go searching

424
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yeah yeah

425
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i i also do um ghost hunts i understand

426
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well i've done i've done a few yeah in

427
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in my town all good all good for um

428
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you know feeding the imagination for

429
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fueling uh ideas so yeah i've done a few

430
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in my time yes

431
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um

432
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by a trip to uh how do you say

433
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weimaraner whimmering manner in

434
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portsmouth i did a ghost hunt there

435
00:17:03,749 --> 00:17:01,120
and that well that's reputably reputedly

436
00:17:05,909 --> 00:17:03,759
uk's most haunted house

437
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and it was a really good overnight vigil

438
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that i spent there

439
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and it did inspire blakemore which is

440
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haunted house which is at the heart

441
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actually of the psychic surveys books

442
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right yeah

443
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um it does

444
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come up again and again what happened in

445
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that um

446
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that house and the spirits occupier are

447
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spirits that

448
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remain taunting

449
00:17:37,270 --> 00:17:35,120
the group of psychics that were although

450
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they're working on other cases stuff

451
00:17:42,390 --> 00:17:40,320
usually comes back to blakemore you know

452
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and what happened there and it's still

453
00:17:46,070 --> 00:17:44,400
very much a mystery blakemore what did

454
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happen there because it's nothing

455
00:17:50,310 --> 00:17:48,000
separate nothing's been written about it

456
00:17:51,270 --> 00:17:50,320
or anything like that you know

457
00:17:53,190 --> 00:17:51,280
there's no

458
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documentation or anything so this is

459
00:17:57,669 --> 00:17:55,760
very much a mystery this house as to

460
00:17:59,909 --> 00:17:57,679
what happened there why and the effect

461
00:18:01,590 --> 00:17:59,919
that it continues to have on people can

462
00:18:04,150 --> 00:18:01,600
you give much more away about it without

463
00:18:06,789 --> 00:18:04,160
giving too much away about your book

464
00:18:09,029 --> 00:18:06,799
um what about blakemore yeah oh it's

465
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evil it's evil it's it now

466
00:18:14,870 --> 00:18:10,880
whimmering manor is not the

467
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uk's most haunted house blake roy um

468
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it's um

469
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it you can find out all about it because

470
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i have written a separate book

471
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away from the psychic surveys

472
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series

473
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called blake moore and

474
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you read that and it will tell you all

475
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about uh

476
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you know basically i took aspects of all

477
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the most haunted

478
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houses in uk um including like bali

479
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rectory and stuff like that and i shoved

480
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it all into one house

481
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so there's aspects of many

482
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real-life haunted locations

483
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um

484
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shoved into this one house so it's it's

485
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uh it's bad it's it's that it's bad and

486
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i funny i've had a manifestation when i

487
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was um writing that because i was so

488
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deeply ingrained in writing this chapter

489
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and it was about flies a fly invasion in

490
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the house because flies were often a

491
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sign of a um haunting

492
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and um and i looked up and my god around

493
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my laptop were a whole host of flies

494
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and what where where they come from i've

495
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just been writing about where they come

496
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from and um we i don't normally get

497
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flower invasions in my house let me tell

498
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you that

499
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and um

500
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so yeah uh

501
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got up dealt with it about an hour later

502
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they were all gone it was so strange

503
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anyway when you're writing about stuff

504
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like blake but when you're drawing from

505
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real life hauntings and you know places

506
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that are considered evil shall we say

507
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um

508
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infused with evil

509
00:19:54,630 --> 00:19:52,320
it is important to protect yourself

510
00:19:57,990 --> 00:19:54,640
because you're you're opening your mind

511
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up to stuff and it can attract so i i

512
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have now have i have loads of protective

513
00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:02,320
crystals all over my um

514
00:20:07,430 --> 00:20:05,200
desk um i always like with good intent i

515
00:20:08,710 --> 00:20:07,440
always infuse my writing with plenty of

516
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light

517
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so i balance it out

518
00:20:14,789 --> 00:20:12,880
you know and um

519
00:20:16,470 --> 00:20:14,799
so far so good yeah do you feel that

520
00:20:19,270 --> 00:20:16,480
crystals and things do actually help you

521
00:20:20,789 --> 00:20:19,280
there oh they help me yeah and i help

522
00:20:22,870 --> 00:20:20,799
anybody else but they certainly i love

523
00:20:24,630 --> 00:20:22,880
crystals my house is way down with

524
00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:24,640
christmas yeah we've got some here you

525
00:20:27,909 --> 00:20:26,480
know yeah um

526
00:20:30,070 --> 00:20:27,919
yeah there's nothing out there

527
00:20:31,750 --> 00:20:30,080
obviously is it the um

528
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i'm not quite sure i don't know too much

529
00:20:36,070 --> 00:20:34,240
about crystals i have yeah but so we've

530
00:20:39,110 --> 00:20:36,080
got the pointed one it's like a little

531
00:20:41,750 --> 00:20:39,120
obelisk oh yeah yeah no no i know

532
00:20:44,070 --> 00:20:41,760
i've seen uh crystals in those shapes um

533
00:20:46,710 --> 00:20:44,080
before but yeah i have them everywhere

534
00:20:48,549 --> 00:20:46,720
and i have some things in place that um

535
00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:48,559
because you do you open yourself up to a

536
00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:50,320
lot you know i do as you say you know i

537
00:20:54,789 --> 00:20:52,720
write about real life i write about

538
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crowley alistair crowley and

539
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he often pops up in the books and

540
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etc um

541
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so

542
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yeah i i have to you you do have to be

543
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careful especially

544
00:21:08,630 --> 00:21:06,960
you're sensitizing yourself to it in a

545
00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:08,640
way

546
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was crowley evil or was he just

547
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misunderstood

548
00:21:17,029 --> 00:21:14,640
well

549
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i think i think he was um

550
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i think

551
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:23,679
my research um some stupid things he was

552
00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:25,760
misunderstood he was also quite

553
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:28,960
theatrical he um

554
00:21:35,510 --> 00:21:32,400
he was he he courted um

555
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attention he wanted attention

556
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so

557
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yeah uh

558
00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:39,280
he did some bad

559
00:21:49,029 --> 00:21:40,720
you know oh my sorry i'm not supposed to

560
00:21:54,630 --> 00:21:52,390
he did some bad stuff um for sure and

561
00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:54,640
ended his days um

562
00:21:58,870 --> 00:21:56,159
a broken

563
00:22:00,149 --> 00:21:58,880
drug addicted old man in hastings yeah

564
00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:00,159
you know they did get around a bit

565
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:02,960
though didn't he i got around i actually

566
00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:04,960
lived in suffolk for about eight years

567
00:22:08,070 --> 00:22:06,240
and they used to go through renders from

568
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:08,080
forest quite a bit and he actually

569
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:09,840
apparently made it to there quite a few

570
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:11,440
times you heard the name

571
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:12,799
crowley around

572
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:15,360
so oh yeah yeah he he he did get around

573
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:17,520
didn't he i mean you know and he was

574
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:19,520
he was right he was

575
00:22:25,350 --> 00:22:21,760
bang into it and he did write some stuff

576
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:25,360
that was very very interesting but

577
00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:27,120
yeah he can be taken the wrong way as

578
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:28,000
well

579
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:30,400
on your ghost house have you experienced

580
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:31,760
many um

581
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:33,200
experiences

582
00:22:43,750 --> 00:22:37,350
um

583
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:43,760
only really down at my local one

584
00:22:49,110 --> 00:22:46,799
actually preston manor all right and um

585
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:49,120
which is got loads of ghost galore there

586
00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:50,880
and it feels it and some of the places

587
00:22:55,270 --> 00:22:52,240
in preston manor where you where you can

588
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:55,280
go off limits on those times it it's oh

589
00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:56,880
it's quite scary

590
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:59,039
um anyway we were doing a seance which

591
00:23:03,029 --> 00:23:00,720
of course i wouldn't recommend anyone to

592
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:03,039
do not really um but we were doing a

593
00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:05,120
science in the morning room and there's

594
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:07,520
a spirit there called mad jack now he's

595
00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:09,200
called mad jack not because he's mad but

596
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:11,840
because he was very mischievous in life

597
00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:13,600
um one of the

598
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:16,720
son of the family that owned it um

599
00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:18,960
anyway he he likes to pop up on these

600
00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:20,559
ghost hunts and have a play around with

601
00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:22,640
with everyone mainly the women

602
00:23:28,149 --> 00:23:25,760
and we were doing this um seance and

603
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:28,159
there he was it you know is that you yes

604
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:29,760
it's me or i said well if it's really

605
00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:31,360
you do something

606
00:23:38,230 --> 00:23:35,440
yes i said can you touch my hair oh my

607
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:38,240
god somebody ran their hand through my

608
00:23:42,870 --> 00:23:40,400
hair so in a bit of a higher squeakier

609
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:42,880
voice i said

610
00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:44,880
and he said yes

611
00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:46,240
and then

612
00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:47,120
then

613
00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:48,640
that's it the atmosphere changed

614
00:23:52,470 --> 00:23:50,480
whatever was in there which should

615
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:52,480
charge the atmosphere it just went

616
00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:54,640
completely calm again and

617
00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:56,720
so he'd go on he did what he had to do

618
00:24:01,029 --> 00:23:58,640
and he went so

619
00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:01,039
and that's that's no joke yes that

620
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:02,960
really did happen you didn't do you've

621
00:24:05,830 --> 00:24:04,880
vet fielded and i got running screaming

622
00:24:08,470 --> 00:24:05,840
at the room

623
00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:08,480
no no no no no no i i can't bear that

624
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:10,480
one most haunted just when it gets a bit

625
00:24:13,750 --> 00:24:12,320
interesting they all go screaming in the

626
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:13,760
other direction but that's what you're

627
00:24:22,630 --> 00:24:15,840
here for oh she's watching you for

628
00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:24,789
so no i didn't i was very brave no he

629
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:26,320
didn't feel threatening not in the

630
00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:28,640
slightest he's not a threatening spirit

631
00:24:34,230 --> 00:24:31,520
so he's just mischievous i must say i do

632
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:34,240
like the most haunted shows not for the

633
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:36,480
content but actually for the locations

634
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:38,640
yeah i'm interested in the like the

635
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:40,240
history of the locations that they tell

636
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:42,080
you about at the beginning of the show

637
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:44,400
um yeah you know oh yeah the most

638
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:46,480
fascinating part of the shows

639
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:49,679
yeah definitely i i do as well and um

640
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:51,679
and i used to love derrick

641
00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:53,520
yeah and his spirit did you ever meet

642
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:56,720
him by chance no my husband did um he

643
00:25:02,789 --> 00:24:59,200
went to hastings to one of his shows but

644
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:02,799
um i i couldn't go that evening so i

645
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:05,919
didn't but uh yeah yeah he used to make

646
00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:08,240
me smile derek yeah well apparently he

647
00:25:12,149 --> 00:25:10,799
was a very good um medium if you did

648
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:12,159
like if you want to call it

649
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:14,720
sensitive yeah or whatever um yeah i

650
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:16,720
think he just got caught out in the trap

651
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:20,240
of um having to perform for the camera

652
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:22,640
of course yeah and come up with a result

653
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:24,960
for a tv show you know but if you take

654
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:27,360
it all with a pinch of salt then

655
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:29,039
you know that that that show it then

656
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:30,480
it's an enjoyable

657
00:25:33,430 --> 00:25:31,919
thing to watch yeah i don't enjoy

658
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:33,440
watching it i must say i mean what

659
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:34,799
people have got to keep in mind is

660
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:36,240
you're you're watching

661
00:25:40,230 --> 00:25:38,640
45 minutes or an hour of something that

662
00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:40,240
would have been over sort of six or

663
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:43,840
seven hours or you know yeah filming and

664
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:45,120
of course that's why it looks like

665
00:25:48,789 --> 00:25:46,960
everything happens at once

666
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:48,799
yeah in actual fact it doesn't i mean

667
00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:50,720
you know yourself on those ghost cameras

668
00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:52,480
it gets boring some nights and that you

669
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:53,200
know

670
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:54,640
if you go on them and you think oh

671
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:56,080
nothing's happening let's just go and

672
00:25:59,669 --> 00:25:57,840
pick up and go on and then all of a

673
00:26:01,350 --> 00:25:59,679
sudden something that will happen and um

674
00:26:03,269 --> 00:26:01,360
sort of grabs your attention they say oh

675
00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:03,279
that was good what happened what else

676
00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:04,480
would happen

677
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:07,120
yeah exactly yeah no no that

678
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:10,080
so am i um as a few other little things

679
00:26:15,669 --> 00:26:12,960
that have happened in ghost hunts um

680
00:26:17,669 --> 00:26:15,679
i went with the twilight team um run by

681
00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:17,679
a friend of mine called laura gough

682
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:19,279
as a friend of you i've actually because

683
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:21,039
i've actually i'm gonna try and go on

684
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:22,880
some of those hands because i actually

685
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:29,269
because they do have some interesting

686
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:31,279
locations on there she runs a great

687
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:34,320
ghost um hunt actually and um i went

688
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:35,840
with her and i've been in her chat with

689
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:38,640
her to the brighton sales and also to um

690
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:41,279
the hastings real

691
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:44,159
true crime museum oh right now that if

692
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:46,320
you can go to that one it's funny enough

693
00:26:50,830 --> 00:26:49,039
i was there last weekend

694
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:50,840
remember that we had a really stormy

695
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:53,120
evening um it was really checking it

696
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:55,120
down with rain and we went on a ghost

697
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:56,720
hunt with the east anglia paranormal

698
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:59,279
investigation team um unfortunately it

699
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:01,919
wasn't a very good night

700
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:04,559
well our night was our night was banging

701
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:11,350
um there's a club next door with all the

702
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:12,240
yeah

703
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:14,240
no no i don't mean that i don't mean as

704
00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:16,320
in no no but that's that was like a lot

705
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:23,909
oh we didn't have that

706
00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:25,440
we didn't have that we didn't have the

707
00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:28,720
noise or anything from next door

708
00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:32,000
really you know yeah what a shame yeah

709
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:33,440
which i've

710
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:36,880
in the field of shortage thing as well

711
00:27:42,389 --> 00:27:40,000
as well yeah god and uh yeah yeah yeah

712
00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:42,399
we saw that by about ten but apparently

713
00:27:47,909 --> 00:27:44,399
a few things happened after after we

714
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:47,919
left but um yeah it wasn't a very

715
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:50,000
spectacular night let's say

716
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:51,760
quite expensive knocks with with them

717
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:53,520
spent 80 quid putting their dogs in the

718
00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:56,640
kennels and everything as well oh gosh

719
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:57,600
gosh

720
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:59,279
oh no there's that that's right

721
00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:01,440
obviously as i say the venue itself is

722
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:03,279
really interesting you know yeah the

723
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:05,520
venue is fantastic i mean it's got some

724
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:06,960
very

725
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:09,360
i think you know really macabre things

726
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:12,080
in hasn't it the bath the acid the acid

727
00:28:15,909 --> 00:28:14,640
bath murderer's bath i'm like oh my god

728
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:15,919
if somebody dropped their camera in the

729
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:17,760
bathtub so you couldn't reach it you had

730
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:19,600
to sort of lean over the butt lean over

731
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:21,840
the fence to get it i wouldn't yeah they

732
00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:23,279
said you want to sit in the bath i said

733
00:28:26,389 --> 00:28:24,799
no thank you

734
00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:26,399
it's all the same to you well that's

735
00:28:30,549 --> 00:28:28,559
where that's where you and i part ways

736
00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:30,559
on that

737
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:31,600
yeah they've got some interesting

738
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:34,640
exhibits i must say they have yeah

739
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:37,120
i mean i don't know really what what

740
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:38,640
what sort of spirits have they got there

741
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:40,080
do you know because i didn't really

742
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:41,520
experience anything

743
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:43,520
there's a little girl

744
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:46,000
the little girl loved i took my son um

745
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:48,320
and the little girl loved my son

746
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:50,080
absolutely loved him followed him around

747
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:52,960
was on the ouija board was communicating

748
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:54,640
with him so i just loved him so there is

749
00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:56,000
a little girl

750
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:57,679
the other spirits i don't know what but

751
00:29:01,510 --> 00:28:59,200
there were quite a few that put in a bit

752
00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:01,520
of a performance that night

753
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:02,960
um

754
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:07,200
really sweet right yeah because it used

755
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:09,279
to be smuggler's caves and things so

756
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:10,880
some some yeah

757
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:15,590
that's it yeah i should imagine there's

758
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:17,360
a few old rogues in there though i

759
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:19,200
should have met but there's a

760
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:20,960
lot of but you know even you've got the

761
00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:23,919
acid murderers bath you know um

762
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:28,000
and you've got various other dreadful um

763
00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:30,000
objects uh you know i write another

764
00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:32,240
series um called reach for the dead

765
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:35,120
which is uh the main um character in it

766
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:36,960
shady grows um has the gift of

767
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:39,760
psychometry so she can hold an object

768
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:40,799
and

769
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:42,320
sense

770
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:44,640
the energy that has infused that object

771
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:47,200
you know from the past and

772
00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:50,640
and so the stories unfold but um

773
00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:54,000
for me i mean i think psychometry is

774
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:56,159
is a very interesting aspect of the

775
00:30:00,149 --> 00:29:57,760
paranormal and

776
00:30:02,149 --> 00:30:00,159
the energy that would be a negative

777
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:02,159
energy that would be attached to that

778
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:04,720
say that bath for example

779
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:07,200
would be immense yeah you know to that

780
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:10,080
and to some of those um

781
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:11,600
weapons and

782
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:13,360
exhibits that they have in that museum

783
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:15,919
would be immense and i think you you do

784
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:17,200
you know you really do have to be

785
00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:18,960
careful with this stuff there is a dark

786
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:20,720
side to it

787
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:23,039
and stuff can attach itself to you by

788
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:27,510
you go

789
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:30,000
oh i mean they call them ghost hunts i i

790
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:31,919
don't i don't like the word hunt i don't

791
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:33,600
like to think you you hunt for a ghost

792
00:30:41,909 --> 00:30:39,669
yeah that's what they're called i think

793
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:41,919
you know but you have to go into it with

794
00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:43,520
respect and you have to go into it with

795
00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:45,360
protection as well

796
00:30:49,029 --> 00:30:47,360
and protection is something i talk a lot

797
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:49,039
about in the psychic surveys books

798
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:50,880
because they go

799
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:52,480
the haunting of high down hall starts

800
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:54,559
off quite light but they go into some

801
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:55,440
very

802
00:31:01,110 --> 00:30:59,600
on

803
00:31:03,509 --> 00:31:01,120
and you know you've got you've got to

804
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:03,519
protect yourself the writer me i have to

805
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:05,120
protect myself writing that stuff

806
00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:07,279
because as i say a lot of it is

807
00:31:12,389 --> 00:31:10,720
built um you know based on true stuff

808
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:12,399
so i know about the perception you're

809
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:13,760
talking about and that's the bringing

810
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:15,600
down the light over the body and sort of

811
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:17,279
encompassing yourself in it and things

812
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:19,760
like that yeah yeah standard stuff yeah

813
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:21,600
yeah i have seen it done properly and

814
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:24,080
also seen it not not done properly you

815
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:26,399
know yeah um it is like you say is a

816
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:29,440
very important thing aspect of any ghost

817
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:36,549
when i decided to

818
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:39,440
jump ship from romance to paranormal

819
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:41,760
uh my mom as i say is a great

820
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:43,919
inspiration and um one of the characters

821
00:31:47,669 --> 00:31:45,840
in the psychic survey series is based on

822
00:31:48,789 --> 00:31:47,679
her theo right right down to the pink

823
00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:48,799
hair

824
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:49,600
um

825
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:52,799
she said to me

826
00:31:56,389 --> 00:31:54,720
she said you know do it absolutely

827
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:56,399
brilliant i'll

828
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:57,919
you know i'll i'll

829
00:32:01,269 --> 00:31:59,760
tell you as much as i know about the

830
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:01,279
spiritual world et cetera because i say

831
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:03,760
she spent her whole life studying it

832
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:05,760
um she said but one thing you need to do

833
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:07,919
is to go in and treat it with respect be

834
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:10,240
different from horror authors and other

835
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:12,960
horror etc out there

836
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:16,480
go in and treat this whole vast subject

837
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:19,120
with respect she said you won't go wrong

838
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:22,159
yeah but i did no i don't agree yeah

839
00:32:29,830 --> 00:32:24,720
yeah um have you ever tried the like the

840
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:31,830
yeah you know um

841
00:32:35,669 --> 00:32:33,440
have you had you know did anything

842
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:35,679
happen with girls yeah oh yeah no no

843
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:38,480
we've had the table go crazy yeah yeah

844
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:40,320
and also i mean i'll say

845
00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:42,480
i've said it on this show a few times

846
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:44,080
when we did our one everyone was taking

847
00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:45,600
their hand off the table one at the time

848
00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:47,200
so you could prove that it's not you

849
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:49,360
doing it yes and when i took my when i

850
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:50,880
took mine off

851
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:52,320
i'm sort of going under the table to

852
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:53,519
have a look

853
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:55,760
and then i'd put my hand on it and i i

854
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:57,120
could put my hand on it it felt like

855
00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:58,559
there was something underneath like a

856
00:33:01,909 --> 00:33:00,320
springy sensation

857
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:01,919
yeah yeah

858
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:03,679
and also that was my side i could feel

859
00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:05,440
you know so it actually felt like there

860
00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:07,600
was something springy on it yeah it was

861
00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:09,840
a really funny yeah wow yeah it was

862
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:11,519
really quite an experience that was and

863
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:13,360
like you said the table was going mad at

864
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:14,880
that time

865
00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:18,000
yeah yeah yeah that yeah

866
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:19,519
but you know that

867
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:21,200
i i believe you know we live in the

868
00:33:24,149 --> 00:33:22,720
material world which when you think

869
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:24,159
about it the material world is pretty

870
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:26,240
damn bizarre isn't it

871
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:29,600
um but i do believe the spiritual world

872
00:33:33,269 --> 00:33:32,559
exists right alongside it

873
00:33:37,830 --> 00:33:33,279
and

874
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:37,840
you know yeah i think i agree with you

875
00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:39,679
they're around us all the time i mean

876
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:42,399
the fact of calling them up uh if you

877
00:33:46,950 --> 00:33:44,799
like um they're here all the time anyway

878
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:46,960
as well yeah the two overlap yeah i mean

879
00:33:50,830 --> 00:33:48,880
we we're right beside the spiritual

880
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:50,840
world you know to overlap and the thing

881
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:53,279
is you know because people say oh i

882
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:54,480
don't believe in ghosts they believe in

883
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:55,919
spirits don't believe in anything like

884
00:34:00,149 --> 00:33:57,679
that but the fact that you're here in

885
00:34:02,389 --> 00:34:00,159
this strange little world you know this

886
00:34:04,830 --> 00:34:02,399
strange sort of universe and do you

887
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:04,840
never think that this life is strange

888
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:06,399
enough

889
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:08,639
it's not you know it's it when you

890
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:10,960
really think about what we're doing here

891
00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:12,480
and why

892
00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:16,240
it's it can blow your mind yeah and so

893
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:18,800
we're here god knows why we're here uh

894
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:21,359
but we are and we live our little lives

895
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:23,280
and what have you but

896
00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:25,200
that's just as strange as

897
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:26,480
thinking about

898
00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:29,440
the afterlife i think yeah yeah thank

899
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:30,320
you

900
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:32,320
i think i feel we're going through some

901
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:38,550
yeah i've heard from several people

902
00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:40,639
there's like a a very large spiritual

903
00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:43,520
war going on there is but there was and

904
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:45,040
i wrote about this in rise to me there

905
00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:47,359
was during world war ii um led by the

906
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:49,359
likes of d on fortune and i think

907
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:51,359
crowley had a bit to do with it too and

908
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:52,240
um

909
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:54,879
who is the chap who wrote james bond

910
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:56,639
yeah

911
00:35:01,990 --> 00:34:58,560
yes he was involved

912
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:02,000
they all waged a psychic war against

913
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:04,800
hitler and his cohorts and

914
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:07,920
they all did it back you know um

915
00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:10,160
d unfortunately and and all this you

916
00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:11,920
know she rallied all the people of

917
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:14,640
psychic ability in the in the uk and

918
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:16,560
they would sit at a certain time of the

919
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:18,000
day and

920
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:20,160
just send out

921
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:22,720
you know light towards the dark pushing

922
00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:24,480
it back pushing it back and they would

923
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:25,599
imagine

924
00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:27,040
um

925
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:32,560
perimeter of the uk

926
00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:36,160
you know guarding this island um

927
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:38,079
and it took it out for she died soon

928
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:40,560
after the world uh world war ii she died

929
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:43,200
because she uh she was exhausted

930
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:45,520
but yeah there is a and i don't know i

931
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:47,040
uh

932
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:48,640
lots of people say god it's a really

933
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:50,400
dark time at the moment but for me this

934
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:52,240
has always been a world in peril you

935
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:54,079
look back through history this i think

936
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:56,960
this is just this world this dimension

937
00:36:01,510 --> 00:35:58,640
this

938
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:01,520
level that we're at we're a world of

939
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:02,640
balance

940
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:04,240
and there's good and there's evil and it

941
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:06,480
just keeps you know it just keeps trying

942
00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:09,119
to vibe to one to over balance the other

943
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:13,510
so we've always been a world in peril

944
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:14,400
and

945
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:16,400
nothing's changed this isn't a world of

946
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:17,359
peace

947
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:19,680
not not not this dimension that we're in

948
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:21,599
not this particular plane no that's

949
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:22,560
interesting you mentioned about

950
00:36:25,829 --> 00:36:23,920
dimensions because that's why i called

951
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:25,839
this show paranormal with

952
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:27,119
oh yeah

953
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:29,040
do you feel that i do hear that there's

954
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:31,440
like several dimensions and several

955
00:36:37,589 --> 00:36:34,400
levels hey what are your views on that

956
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:37,599
yeah definitely yeah yeah and uh

957
00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:40,079
we're in a hard training ground here i

958
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:41,040
think

959
00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:42,240
but um

960
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:45,040
we will we'll go off to depending on how

961
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:46,480
you've done and what you've learned in

962
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:48,480
this on this particular level we'll go

963
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:50,160
off into higher levels or we might have

964
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:52,320
to repeat this plane

965
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:54,400
again or we might have to go lower still

966
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:56,480
yeah do you feel that some of us may

967
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:58,400
have been in a higher level and come

968
00:37:02,550 --> 00:36:59,920
back to a lower level or something if

969
00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:02,560
you like yeah definitely yeah to to try

970
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:05,280
and to try and bring the general

971
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:08,240
uh you know thing up to a certain level

972
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:10,160
yeah yeah yeah definitely definitely

973
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:11,760
yeah you you choose to come back right

974
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:13,200
i'll go back and see what i can do with

975
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:15,119
that little shower over there and you

976
00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:16,000
know

977
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:17,359
blah blah blah

978
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:19,200
yeah definitely i don't know how you

979
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:21,280
feel also i found within this paranormal

980
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:23,200
world

981
00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:25,680
on earth you seem to um

982
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:26,480
bond

983
00:37:30,069 --> 00:37:28,720
with certain people yeah yeah and you

984
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:30,079
feel that you've got some connection

985
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:31,680
there that's what i've found over the

986
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:33,680
years you know you do you find your

987
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:35,440
tribe yeah with people people

988
00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:38,160
like-minded people um what have you but

989
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:40,400
um i suppose like-minded like calls for

990
00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:42,960
like you will always find people who are

991
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:44,800
interested in the same things as you and

992
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:47,280
that's what'll make you get on as as it

993
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:48,800
were but

994
00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:51,119
yeah i have my my beliefs that's all i

995
00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:53,839
stuff it all into the books and um the

996
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:56,320
strange thing is is that um

997
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:58,800
you get people writing in saying god you

998
00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:01,200
know that's exactly how i thought of it

999
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:03,200
it's amazing i've never seen it like

1000
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:05,280
you've dealt with like this before it

1001
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:06,880
you know which they've got my mother to

1002
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:09,359
thank for that and all she taught me but

1003
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:10,800
um but then you've got others who's

1004
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:12,800
saying well i wanted a horror your book

1005
00:38:16,390 --> 00:38:14,960
was crap i wanted a horror all right

1006
00:38:18,069 --> 00:38:16,400
well if you want a horror game read

1007
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:18,079
someone else yeah there's people

1008
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:20,800
in mind there's plenty of gore

1009
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:21,599
and

1010
00:38:25,109 --> 00:38:23,280
all that sort of stuff out there if

1011
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:25,119
that's what floats your boat put it down

1012
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:26,640
go and read something else you know but

1013
00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:28,720
they get crossed because it's not

1014
00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:30,480
horrifying enough yeah and you just

1015
00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:32,560
think that's not what i do

1016
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:33,760
and

1017
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:35,760
you know it's psychological

1018
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:37,040
yeah well from that point of view i

1019
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:38,560
think you can get a better story out of

1020
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:40,960
a psychological story anyway yeah yeah

1021
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:43,440
the great aggressive build-up of tension

1022
00:38:47,109 --> 00:38:45,359
etc yeah you know

1023
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:47,119
and just what constitutes a haunting

1024
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:48,640
because you know what constitutes a

1025
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:50,400
haunting for one person may not be what

1026
00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:52,320
constitutes a haunting for another as

1027
00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:54,640
well so different experiences yeah it

1028
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:56,400
could could even end up with something

1029
00:38:58,950 --> 00:38:58,079
not supernatural at all couldn't it you

1030
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:58,960
know

1031
00:39:01,750 --> 00:39:00,560
absolutely

1032
00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:01,760
yeah

1033
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:05,119
um have you got any sort of psycho uh

1034
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:07,760
psychic powers yourself do you think

1035
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:10,800
psychic powers ability abilities is the

1036
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,079
way yeah

1037
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:14,400
no i love psychic powers

1038
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:15,359
um

1039
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:24,870
my take on it is that everybody has a

1040
00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:28,240
psychic ability it's just um whether we

1041
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:31,359
open ourselves to it or not so

1042
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:32,960
have i had

1043
00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:35,359
psychic experiences yes

1044
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:38,079
and i have had ever since a child

1045
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:38,960
um

1046
00:39:43,030 --> 00:39:41,440
do i open myself to it fully not really

1047
00:39:44,470 --> 00:39:43,040
i tend to close it off and i tend to

1048
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:44,480
just explore it within the realms of

1049
00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:45,680
fiction

1050
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:47,200
um

1051
00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:51,040
this may be something i'll go back to in

1052
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:53,359
later years but maybe i won't i don't

1053
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:55,200
know yet as i say you have to be very

1054
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:56,400
careful and you do have to call on

1055
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:58,640
protection yeah no i do agree with a lot

1056
00:40:02,550 --> 00:40:00,480
of stuff out there i mean we've all got

1057
00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:02,560
this thing where we can walk into a room

1058
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:04,720
and sense a sense of atmosphere or make

1059
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:07,119
sense yeah or yeah you'll think of

1060
00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:08,400
someone i think i must tell them i'll

1061
00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:09,680
tell your phone someone and then all of

1062
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:11,280
a sudden they telephone you you know

1063
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:12,880
it's it's all that type of thing isn't

1064
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:13,520
it

1065
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:15,359
um why don't you believe in like

1066
00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:17,760
telepathy and mind reading and stuff

1067
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:19,599
like that oh yeah oh god i think the

1068
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:21,520
brain is i mean god we only use a small

1069
00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:23,119
percentage of the brain don't we so i

1070
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:25,040
think the brain is capable of so much so

1071
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:26,880
i believe some people

1072
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:30,079
have that ability yeah definitely

1073
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:33,760
without doubt um i don't but um

1074
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:36,560
i i yeah definitely some people are able

1075
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:38,880
to come out their bodies astro travel

1076
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:41,040
and all that sort of stuff can't they

1077
00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:42,720
and uh i used to flirt with that

1078
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:44,000
actually when i was younger but i had a

1079
00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:46,079
nasty experience so i don't reflect with

1080
00:40:49,030 --> 00:40:47,760
that anymore all right i was actually

1081
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:49,040
going to ask you about that have you had

1082
00:40:54,309 --> 00:40:51,599
the experiences with that so um

1083
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:54,319
so what was the nasty experience you had

1084
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:57,200
well um so i used to practice coming out

1085
00:41:01,750 --> 00:40:59,599
of of my body um and i was quite good at

1086
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:01,760
it and i've got five brothers i've got

1087
00:41:04,069 --> 00:41:03,119
another brother who's very good at it

1088
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:04,079
too

1089
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:05,040
um

1090
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:06,560
but

1091
00:41:11,589 --> 00:41:08,160
i wasn't in a very good space i just had

1092
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:11,599
a baby i had postnatal depression

1093
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:14,400
and it was all just a bit of a dark time

1094
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:16,000
for about a year with this bloody

1095
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:18,160
postman depression stuff

1096
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:20,880
and and i was practicing it for some

1097
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:23,920
reason um the baby was in the in in bed

1098
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:25,200
with my husband in the front room and i

1099
00:41:29,349 --> 00:41:27,839
was in a in a back room you know trying

1100
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:29,359
to get some sleep

1101
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:31,440
and and i don't know why but i i could

1102
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:33,280
feel it happening so i sort of went with

1103
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:35,280
it and i i shot to the corner of the

1104
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:37,280
room

1105
00:41:41,829 --> 00:41:39,680
and i said oh you know um so i could see

1106
00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:41,839
the room and me in bed and what have you

1107
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:43,280
but then something tried to get through

1108
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:44,720
the door

1109
00:41:49,349 --> 00:41:47,040
and i knew if that and it was rattling

1110
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:49,359
the door and i knew that whatever it was

1111
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:50,960
that was going to come through if i

1112
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:52,800
didn't i didn't want to see it and i

1113
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:56,000
shouldn't see it it wasn't something

1114
00:42:02,950 --> 00:41:57,599
from

1115
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:02,960
uh so i panicked and i got straight back

1116
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:04,960
in to my body

1117
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:07,200
and i and i didn't do it after that all

1118
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:09,599
right that's i sought advice and i was

1119
00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:11,920
told not to do it right again

1120
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:13,760
well that was consciously but probably

1121
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:15,359
in your sleep we probably all do it

1122
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:16,400
anyway

1123
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:19,119
um yes oh yes yeah that's that that

1124
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:20,960
that's a different thing but at that

1125
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:22,960
point and and at that stage in my life

1126
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:24,720
it wasn't a great thing to do and i'm

1127
00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:26,240
just glad that that thing never got

1128
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:27,920
through the door right i think yeah i

1129
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:29,359
wonder what that was

1130
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:31,440
oh god who knows

1131
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:33,280
who knows but um

1132
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:34,640
yeah

1133
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:38,079
and be in a good place and you're in

1134
00:42:41,829 --> 00:42:40,240
your life when you're doing it so

1135
00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:41,839
have you ever been in touch with your

1136
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:44,560
spirit guides um

1137
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:47,040
no but apparently i've got five right

1138
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:49,040
all right hey but i don't know who they

1139
00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:50,480
are

1140
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:53,200
obviously around you now but uh yes yes

1141
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:55,760
where are you come on show yourself um i

1142
00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:57,280
don't know who they are no but

1143
00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:58,880
apparently i have got five been told

1144
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:01,520
that several times yeah i do this i've

1145
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:03,680
heard that they do sometimes um

1146
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:05,599
swap yeah what they think oh well i've

1147
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:08,000
done my bit with her now you take over

1148
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:10,400
or whoever yeah you know yeah done my

1149
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:17,109
there's always one that stays with you

1150
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:19,680
for your whole life but um yeah whether

1151
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:21,520
that's true or not i don't know either

1152
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:22,960
you know it's only what i've been told

1153
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,480
yeah i'd love to know too

1154
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:26,400
how do you look on reincarnation do you

1155
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:28,160
do you believe there's a lot involved in

1156
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:29,200
that

1157
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:32,800
yeah definitely yeah um in fact

1158
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:36,720
i just have my kasich records read

1159
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:40,560
my lovely lady um local lady um

1160
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:42,319
who was recommended to me

1161
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:44,720
so i thought i'd give that a go

1162
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:46,000
and yeah i've

1163
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:47,359
i've lived several lives i knew i'd

1164
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:48,960
lived in france and she picked up on

1165
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:50,960
that i was i was a wandering minstrel no

1166
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:52,880
less in the 15th century called

1167
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:55,359
cordializer

1168
00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:56,960
but um

1169
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:59,200
all that aside yeah definitely believe

1170
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:00,880
in in reincarnation i think you come

1171
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:02,960
here many many times

1172
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:05,760
and if if not this particular round one

1173
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:08,400
like it and what have you until you can

1174
00:44:13,030 --> 00:44:11,359
go up high around yeah yeah i mean also

1175
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:13,040
i think what comes into it i don't know

1176
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:15,599
if you believe in ufos etc

1177
00:44:19,109 --> 00:44:16,720
um

1178
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:19,119
i've seen them i've seen them

1179
00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:20,640
talk about that

1180
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:23,920
i've seen them too but um yeah

1181
00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:25,520
so we could actually go to a different

1182
00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:27,760
planet as well couldn't we the way i see

1183
00:44:32,309 --> 00:44:30,160
um wow

1184
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:32,319
well my mom was really into all the ufo

1185
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:34,640
stuff me not so much although i don't

1186
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:37,119
disbelieve it i not at all

1187
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:38,319
and um

1188
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:39,760
when i was younger

1189
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:41,040
i was about eight and me and mum were

1190
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:43,359
walking along the um seafront brian

1191
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:44,960
seafront after having been to the wimpy

1192
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:46,160
for dinner

1193
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:47,599
and um

1194
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:50,000
and literally it was the strangest

1195
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:51,440
bizarre thing

1196
00:44:55,030 --> 00:44:53,200
and i wasn't the only one

1197
00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:55,040
to see um to see them though it was

1198
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:57,680
reported in the newspaper etcetera

1199
00:45:00,630 --> 00:44:59,200
uh there was all of us along the sea

1200
00:45:01,670 --> 00:45:00,640
front it was it was let's say it was

1201
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:01,680
night

1202
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:04,079
uh but early evening about eight nine or

1203
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:07,440
whatever and out of nowhere and very low

1204
00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:10,319
flying was literally a v formation of

1205
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:12,160
flying discs

1206
00:45:17,829 --> 00:45:15,359
burning bright white and they shot at a

1207
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:17,839
huge speed across the sea front and then

1208
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:19,280
just disappeared

1209
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:21,119
and as they came out and they were

1210
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:23,040
they went into them and they were so low

1211
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:24,560
and i've never well it was an

1212
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:26,720
unidentified flying object several of

1213
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:28,319
them i mean it's in the true sense of

1214
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:29,520
the word

1215
00:45:31,589 --> 00:45:30,400
and

1216
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:31,599
we were like

1217
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:33,440
and everyone the [\h__\h] was like what the

1218
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:34,240
hell

1219
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:36,079
what was that

1220
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:39,280
and yeah it was reported on and um

1221
00:45:44,829 --> 00:45:41,839
so what was it i don't know no well they

1222
00:45:51,190 --> 00:45:47,829
yeah i think so they could have been

1223
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:51,200
um like a a jet or something like that

1224
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:52,720
no they weren't in the shape of a jet

1225
00:45:55,109 --> 00:45:54,319
they were round no but i was saying it

1226
00:45:58,470 --> 00:45:55,119
was

1227
00:46:01,349 --> 00:45:58,480
airplane or something so normally if it

1228
00:46:02,870 --> 00:46:01,359
was a helicopter or a plane or something

1229
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:02,880
you'd have yeah

1230
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:04,400
they're completely silent and they were

1231
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:06,480
i can see them now as clear as daylight

1232
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:09,119
in my mind i am

1233
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:12,000
burning white white orbs

1234
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:14,720
burning white orbs brightest white

1235
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:16,720
you'll ever see

1236
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:19,599
against the night sky but uh so in a v

1237
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:21,920
formation so one two three four probably

1238
00:46:26,710 --> 00:46:24,880
about six five or six of them yeah

1239
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:26,720
that's interesting because you say the

1240
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:29,040
figure six uh we were yes we were

1241
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:30,319
sitting a couple years ago we were

1242
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:33,200
sitting outside um where we used to live

1243
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:35,760
and we had like a um a decking type of

1244
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:36,560
thing

1245
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:38,880
and my wife suddenly saw

1246
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:40,640
the middle of the day by the way

1247
00:46:44,950 --> 00:46:42,640
she saw

1248
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:44,960
white objects way up in the sky

1249
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:46,640
yeah and there was like six of them yeah

1250
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:48,560
funny enough yeah it was like two v two

1251
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:50,640
v four x formations in six yeah and

1252
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:52,800
there was six of them all together

1253
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:54,480
wow well i couldn't see him at first but

1254
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:56,400
she said what are they and i'm looking

1255
00:46:59,349 --> 00:46:57,680
i'm trying to find enough and suddenly i

1256
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:59,359
saw them i thought wow i was following

1257
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:01,440
for quite a while so what the hell they

1258
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:03,119
were i don't know

1259
00:47:07,109 --> 00:47:05,040
well i do i do believe that you know i

1260
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:07,119
mean we're very arrogant to think we're

1261
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:09,359
the only life-form

1262
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:10,319
so

1263
00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:12,400
i do believe that there are it's other

1264
00:47:16,150 --> 00:47:14,560
stuff out there and and that probably

1265
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:16,160
the the powers that be you know all

1266
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:19,520
about it yeah yeah i i believe that too

1267
00:47:23,829 --> 00:47:20,640
i mean

1268
00:47:25,750 --> 00:47:23,839
in 1967 actually i saw a big oval orange

1269
00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:25,760
object going across which was completely

1270
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:26,640
quiet

1271
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:27,920
um yeah

1272
00:47:32,230 --> 00:47:29,520
and i've said this on the show because

1273
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:32,240
i've anyone just heard it before but

1274
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:34,240
also when i was younger sitting on my

1275
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:36,400
steps i was actually watching a star

1276
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:38,880
move and stopped the move and stop and

1277
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:41,280
at the time i just thought it was a star

1278
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:43,119
yeah it was only like in later years i

1279
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:44,240
thought well what the hell was that

1280
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:46,800
because star wars don't do that

1281
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:47,760
no

1282
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:55,680
it's fascinating that this whole

1283
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:57,520
where we are this dimension the whole

1284
00:48:01,829 --> 00:47:59,119
thing it's happened it's fascinating

1285
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:01,839
there's a lot to be fascinated by

1286
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:02,880
and also that's why it's called the

1287
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:05,040
paranormal i mean most people don't

1288
00:48:10,870 --> 00:48:07,760
regard the paranormal as uh a real thing

1289
00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:10,880
do they um but yeah i'm supposed to

1290
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:12,880
paranormal what it means is outside of

1291
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:15,839
normal doesn't it i suppose technically

1292
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:17,839
what it means and uh

1293
00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:20,400
there's a lot that's outside of normal

1294
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:22,240
yeah a hell of a lot

1295
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:24,240
do i guess we're talking supernatural i

1296
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:26,160
mean a lot of people will just miss the

1297
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:27,520
supernatural they know it's just a lot

1298
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:29,760
of rubbish and it doesn't exist yeah but

1299
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:31,359
i believe that people like you and

1300
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:33,680
myself and many other people i've spoken

1301
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:36,160
to there is a lot in there you know and

1302
00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:38,240
uh yeah things do happen but there is

1303
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:39,280
yeah

1304
00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:43,440
it's in it and it's

1305
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:44,319
you know

1306
00:48:51,750 --> 00:48:49,680
yourself off completely from it but um

1307
00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:51,760
you miss out on a lot that's exciting in

1308
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:54,000
life because it is part of the rich

1309
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:57,119
fabric of this realm it is yeah i agree

1310
00:49:01,510 --> 00:48:59,119
with you so you're actually writing

1311
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:01,520
you've got another book on the go now um

1312
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:03,440
yeah have you got other things planned

1313
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:05,520
in the future as well uh other books

1314
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:06,960
that you're actually thinking about and

1315
00:49:11,349 --> 00:49:09,839
working on yeah oh god always always

1316
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:11,359
always always so

1317
00:49:16,870 --> 00:49:15,119
i i'm working on uh a book

1318
00:49:20,549 --> 00:49:16,880
which is the fourth book in the this

1319
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:20,559
haunted world series which um

1320
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:22,880
sort of deals with

1321
00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:26,000
places real life places um and weaves a

1322
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:27,920
lot of fact with fiction as as i

1323
00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:29,119
normally do

1324
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:32,079
um the first one is set in venice and

1325
00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:34,160
the island of poveglia in the venetian

1326
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:36,720
lagoon the second one is set in a hotel

1327
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:39,599
that i stayed in in pennsylvania

1328
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:41,359
and the third third one is set in

1329
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:44,400
highgate this one is set in a castle in

1330
00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:46,319
scotland that i stayed in during the

1331
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:50,319
summer holidays for a week and is just

1332
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:53,680
oh my god the weight of history as you

1333
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:55,680
as you you know you could feel it in the

1334
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:57,680
air all around you

1335
00:50:01,829 --> 00:50:00,480
so um it's reputedly haunted but as i've

1336
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:01,839
told them it certainly will be by the

1337
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:03,520
time i finish with you

1338
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:06,079
and so that's the fourth one um i've got

1339
00:50:10,870 --> 00:50:08,000
a um i'm adding to the reach for the

1340
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:10,880
dead series as well

1341
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:13,280
so book three needs to be written in

1342
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:15,599
that and i'll be adding to psychic

1343
00:50:20,230 --> 00:50:18,000
survey series which book nine needs to

1344
00:50:22,549 --> 00:50:20,240
be written in that series

1345
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:22,559
and there's a few sort of other things i

1346
00:50:28,230 --> 00:50:25,200
i would quite like to um write about the

1347
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:28,240
uh the magdalen laundries

1348
00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:31,440
um i'd there's other subjects that i've

1349
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:34,640
uh touched on that i would like to

1350
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:37,440
write about and expand etc so that's

1351
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:38,960
what i will be doing in the paranormal

1352
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:41,359
vein you mean in the paranormal vein

1353
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:43,040
yeah i don't think you'll get sort of

1354
00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:46,240
bra drop into anything else

1355
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:49,040
will i write we um funnily enough um

1356
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:51,920
this summer i wrote um i published a

1357
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:54,079
summer of grace

1358
00:51:00,790 --> 00:50:58,720
psychological mystery right and more

1359
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:00,800
more of a mystery thriller shall we say

1360
00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:04,079
set in kansas uh in

1361
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:05,599
in the usa

1362
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:07,920
and i really loved writing that it was

1363
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:09,599
quite a nice little refreshing break for

1364
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:12,000
me to have um

1365
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:15,440
overall a a break from the paranormal so

1366
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:17,200
i might write more mystery type

1367
00:51:21,829 --> 00:51:18,800
thrillers but they usually have quite a

1368
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:21,839
dark aspect to them so um yeah yeah i

1369
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:23,119
might i might do more of that in the

1370
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:25,440
future yeah it probably doesn't do any

1371
00:51:28,950 --> 00:51:27,359
any harm to have a little detour away

1372
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:28,960
from uh no

1373
00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:30,480
no so

1374
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:32,880
exactly it doesn't it doesn't do any

1375
00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:34,400
harm to have a little detour every now

1376
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:36,720
and then but the paranormal is where i

1377
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:39,920
will mainly keep my focus yeah

1378
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:42,480
well from what i've seen um i think that

1379
00:51:47,190 --> 00:51:44,079
that's probably your best focus anyway

1380
00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:47,200
you know yeah yeah as i say uh the the

1381
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:49,680
covers are fantastic and i will put a

1382
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:51,359
lot of links to all your books on the

1383
00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:53,359
paranormal dimensions page

1384
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:54,400
um

1385
00:51:57,990 --> 00:51:56,400
yeah yeah and also i'll get a link

1386
00:51:59,990 --> 00:51:58,000
that's why i like ghost hunts as well

1387
00:52:02,230 --> 00:52:00,000
because it's a fantastic page they've

1388
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:02,240
got um they've got a really nice website

1389
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:04,400
that's a very informative tells you a

1390
00:52:07,829 --> 00:52:05,760
lot about um

1391
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:07,839
the i might even see you on a ghost hunt

1392
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:08,880
you never know because i'm going to

1393
00:52:13,349 --> 00:52:10,880
actually sign up for some of those

1394
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:13,359
yeah yeah definitely they've got one at

1395
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:16,240
the grimms dike hotel actually um not

1396
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:18,480
sure when it is i need to uh i saw that

1397
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:20,240
one yeah they've got really really nice

1398
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:22,400
bedrooms you can hire up a little yeah

1399
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:24,240
yeah but the crimson is a place that

1400
00:52:28,549 --> 00:52:26,400
i've heard of before i thought oh i do

1401
00:52:31,750 --> 00:52:28,559
love a hotel store i do love a haunted

1402
00:52:33,270 --> 00:52:31,760
hotel yeah i really do you can have um

1403
00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:33,280
you can have great fun with the haunted

1404
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:35,680
hotel the various residents that's hard

1405
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:38,240
yeah there's a tv there's a tv thing we

1406
00:52:43,030 --> 00:52:40,240
saw last night it was on amazon prime or

1407
00:52:51,109 --> 00:52:43,040
something called haunted hotels i think

1408
00:52:54,549 --> 00:52:52,470
yeah it's actually quite scary some of

1409
00:52:56,309 --> 00:52:54,559
the stories that were coming out

1410
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:56,319
well i've stayed at a couple of hotels

1411
00:53:00,790 --> 00:52:57,839
where i thought i'm getting the heck out

1412
00:53:02,710 --> 00:53:00,800
of here and i've left one at like 11 12

1413
00:53:03,750 --> 00:53:02,720
at night thinking i'm not staying here

1414
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:03,760
no way

1415
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:05,760
yeah one up in the north and one over in

1416
00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:06,960
paris

1417
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:09,760
so what happened to this weapon

1418
00:53:13,109 --> 00:53:11,119
well in the first one which is the one

1419
00:53:15,990 --> 00:53:13,119
up at the north the at the atmosphere

1420
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:16,000
was just horrendous i went in and it

1421
00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:17,839
you're literally on edge you you could

1422
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:21,040
not settle in your bed there and i was i

1423
00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:22,640
used to um

1424
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:25,040
yeah i was working away at the time

1425
00:53:29,750 --> 00:53:27,280
and and i just thought i can't stay here

1426
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:29,760
it was in this little bed sit not better

1427
00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:33,119
uh bnb i suppose stroke hotel in my mind

1428
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:34,720
it's more of b b but i think it was

1429
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:36,480
actually a hotel this was we're going

1430
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:38,400
back 20 25 years

1431
00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:40,160
it was terrifying and i don't know what

1432
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:41,520
happened now i didn't want to know i

1433
00:53:46,710 --> 00:53:43,920
just packed my bags and i left

1434
00:53:49,829 --> 00:53:46,720
uh in the the one that i stayed in paris

1435
00:53:51,670 --> 00:53:49,839
again i was away for work and um and it

1436
00:53:53,349 --> 00:53:51,680
was a pyramid shaped hotel it's called

1437
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:53,359
the pyramid

1438
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:56,319
and i stayed in this room and i'm not

1439
00:54:01,750 --> 00:53:58,880
kidding you it was like there was a

1440
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:01,760
storm raging around me

1441
00:54:05,750 --> 00:54:04,079
all night but there was no storm there

1442
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:05,760
really was no storm but the storm was

1443
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:07,680
inside the room and i was in the center

1444
00:54:13,349 --> 00:54:10,880
of it and it and i sat up all night

1445
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:13,359
catching my pillow to me thinking oh my

1446
00:54:18,390 --> 00:54:15,599
god oh my god as soon as light comes i

1447
00:54:20,549 --> 00:54:18,400
was too scared to move

1448
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:20,559
but that's a sensation i got like a

1449
00:54:24,790 --> 00:54:23,280
storm a whirling vortex and i was in the

1450
00:54:25,829 --> 00:54:24,800
center of it

1451
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:25,839
um

1452
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:27,839
as soon as dawn broke it did the light

1453
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:30,400
came it did calm down

1454
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:33,599
so i got up pat myself went downstairs

1455
00:54:37,109 --> 00:54:36,000
to someone on reception i said i had

1456
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:37,119
just had

1457
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:39,280
no sleep what the hell is in that room

1458
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:41,280
and she went oh hang on oh sorry we

1459
00:54:44,950 --> 00:54:42,640
didn't mean to put you in that room you

1460
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:44,960
shouldn't have done that right now

1461
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:46,720
well what's in there well we don't know

1462
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:48,720
but nobody likes it sorry we shouldn't

1463
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:50,400
have put you in that room

1464
00:54:54,789 --> 00:54:52,559
and i'm like well grab me a taxi and i'm

1465
00:54:56,549 --> 00:54:54,799
going to the airport i'm going home

1466
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:56,559
i was so

1467
00:55:01,270 --> 00:54:58,079
it was horrible

1468
00:55:03,990 --> 00:55:01,280
that was terrifying it whatever energy

1469
00:55:05,910 --> 00:55:04,000
was in that room swirling around me was

1470
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:05,920
malevolent put it that way yeah so that

1471
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:08,559
was really is uh a psychic experience

1472
00:55:11,510 --> 00:55:09,760
you could say

1473
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:11,520
yeah because yeah

1474
00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:13,520
it was in there yeah on your own i had

1475
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:15,440
to enjoy it on my own i'm like you know

1476
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:17,920
this is not fun this is really not fun

1477
00:55:21,270 --> 00:55:19,200
this is

1478
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:21,280
just horrendous i had to sort of put the

1479
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:23,440
light around me and and it just went all

1480
00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:25,200
around me and

1481
00:55:28,230 --> 00:55:27,599
as the light had the natural light came

1482
00:55:31,109 --> 00:55:28,240
in

1483
00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:31,119
it did recede wow as it would

1484
00:55:33,430 --> 00:55:32,240
hmm

1485
00:55:34,950 --> 00:55:33,440
i think that's the sort of experience

1486
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:34,960
that everyone wants but then when it

1487
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:36,720
happens it's uh they don't like you you

1488
00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:38,160
don't want it

1489
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:39,920
when you're on your own yeah you know

1490
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:42,240
you really don't it it was scary it was

1491
00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:44,240
really scary you could have done it you

1492
00:55:47,589 --> 00:55:46,240
met fielding then

1493
00:55:50,470 --> 00:55:47,599
yeah well she would have run screaming

1494
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:50,480
in the other direction i stayed i stayed

1495
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:51,920
but i was too scared to move that's

1496
00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:54,079
where i stayed but in the the hotel up

1497
00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:57,760
north or b b whatever it was um i did

1498
00:56:02,390 --> 00:56:00,000
pack my bags and leave so it wasn't

1499
00:56:03,670 --> 00:56:02,400
whatever was in that room wasn't as bad

1500
00:56:05,829 --> 00:56:03,680
as what was in

1501
00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:05,839
the pyramid wow i suppose the important

1502
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:08,799
question is did they charge you

1503
00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:11,040
um well it was charged to account anyway

1504
00:56:14,230 --> 00:56:12,720
because it was a work thing so it's

1505
00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:14,240
charged to account so

1506
00:56:16,950 --> 00:56:15,440
um

1507
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:16,960
and i spoke to my mom i was speaking to

1508
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:18,640
my mum about it afterwards and she was

1509
00:56:22,230 --> 00:56:19,920
wondering whether the shape of the

1510
00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:22,240
pyramid of you know

1511
00:56:25,829 --> 00:56:23,760
i mean the whole thing about a pyramid

1512
00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:25,839
is that it was built to sort of channel

1513
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:27,920
energy wasn't it and she was wondering

1514
00:56:32,069 --> 00:56:31,200
if some sort of energy it had attracted

1515
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:32,079
the whole

1516
00:56:36,150 --> 00:56:33,839
that that shape of it you know sort of

1517
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:36,160
had attracted some sort of energy down

1518
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:38,640
into the pinpoint and my room was just

1519
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:39,760
the center of it it's quite a

1520
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:42,319
possibility isn't it i mean yeah

1521
00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:44,640
yeah so you don't know i don't you know

1522
00:56:48,549 --> 00:56:46,720
and i don't know and and and it is what

1523
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:48,559
it is but yeah it's scary yeah it's a

1524
00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:50,880
fascinating thought it's a shame you

1525
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:52,480
think about maybe trying to record

1526
00:56:55,829 --> 00:56:53,760
something have you ever done anything

1527
00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:55,839
like evp recordings or anything like

1528
00:57:02,789 --> 00:57:00,720
that no i haven't no i haven't and and

1529
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:02,799
how old are those sort of

1530
00:57:08,069 --> 00:57:06,960
i didn't have a mobile phone then

1531
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:08,079
um

1532
00:57:11,430 --> 00:57:09,280
so

1533
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:11,440
i didn't have the means of doing that

1534
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:13,359
and there wasn't anything you could see

1535
00:57:16,230 --> 00:57:14,640
either so

1536
00:57:18,390 --> 00:57:16,240
well actually

1537
00:57:20,549 --> 00:57:18,400
maybe the uh you know maybe would have

1538
00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:20,559
picked up something you don't know

1539
00:57:26,150 --> 00:57:23,680
but um it was it was a sensation and it

1540
00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:26,160
was it was a very real sensation i think

1541
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:27,599
when things happen like that you're not

1542
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:29,440
really prepared to sort of just grab

1543
00:57:32,710 --> 00:57:31,440
your phone anyway oh yeah yeah you

1544
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:32,720
probably would just think about what's

1545
00:57:36,309 --> 00:57:34,160
happening at the time

1546
00:57:38,829 --> 00:57:36,319
uh you are caught in the moment of it

1547
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:38,839
and it is terrifying yeah

1548
00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:40,559
hmm

1549
00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:42,000
personally i like an experience like

1550
00:57:44,549 --> 00:57:43,200
that i mean if somebody told me there's

1551
00:57:46,470 --> 00:57:44,559
a haunted house where i come and sleep

1552
00:57:48,309 --> 00:57:46,480
tonight i'll say yeah i'll be up there

1553
00:57:50,069 --> 00:57:48,319
straight away

1554
00:57:51,670 --> 00:57:50,079
oh well well i have slept in haunted

1555
00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:51,680
place i mean i've been to i've written

1556
00:57:55,510 --> 00:57:53,760
about old cross cottage that's before in

1557
00:57:58,470 --> 00:57:55,520
the psychic survey series and that's a

1558
00:58:01,750 --> 00:57:58,480
real place down in dorset

1559
00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:01,760
and um and how i described it all is

1560
00:58:05,829 --> 00:58:04,160
completely accurate you know has coffin

1561
00:58:07,589 --> 00:58:05,839
mid-stairs wow

1562
00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:07,599
um for example

1563
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:10,000
offcuts of course yeah but i've never

1564
00:58:13,270 --> 00:58:11,520
heard of that before

1565
00:58:15,190 --> 00:58:13,280
yeah they were coughing lids but they

1566
00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:15,200
were off cuts

1567
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:17,359
and um

1568
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:19,599
and uh there's been some strange

1569
00:58:25,030 --> 00:58:22,720
activity in there there um it used to be

1570
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:25,040
an old pub so it's three houses now one

1571
00:58:28,230 --> 00:58:26,880
one cottage but the front was it used to

1572
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:28,240
be the village pub and this we're

1573
00:58:33,829 --> 00:58:31,839
talking sort of like 1600s or whatever

1574
00:58:35,349 --> 00:58:33,839
you can still hear

1575
00:58:38,309 --> 00:58:35,359
the pub noises

1576
00:58:40,710 --> 00:58:38,319
and i did hear them wow

1577
00:58:41,829 --> 00:58:40,720
in the in the dead of night i did hear

1578
00:58:42,789 --> 00:58:41,839
them

1579
00:58:44,710 --> 00:58:42,799
and

1580
00:58:47,829 --> 00:58:44,720
you know the muted voices the clinking

1581
00:58:51,190 --> 00:58:47,839
of glasses etc um

1582
00:58:52,549 --> 00:58:51,200
there's um you you hear

1583
00:58:54,549 --> 00:58:52,559
other people i've stayed with in the

1584
00:58:55,430 --> 00:58:54,559
cottage um

1585
00:59:00,150 --> 00:58:55,440
they

1586
00:59:01,430 --> 00:59:00,160
somebody getting into bed with them

1587
00:59:03,670 --> 00:59:01,440
picking up the covers and getting into

1588
00:59:06,549 --> 00:59:03,680
bed and putting their arm around them or

1589
00:59:10,069 --> 00:59:06,559
just poking them in the back

1590
00:59:12,150 --> 00:59:10,079
um voices you often hear voices when

1591
00:59:13,990 --> 00:59:12,160
there are no voices you know no

1592
00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:14,000
voices um nobody said anything wherever

1593
00:59:17,670 --> 00:59:15,839
you can often hear a voice you know sort

1594
00:59:19,990 --> 00:59:17,680
of reverberating the atmosphere

1595
00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:20,000
footsteps as well

1596
00:59:27,030 --> 00:59:21,200
um

1597
00:59:32,549 --> 00:59:30,470
that's very very paranormal i think

1598
00:59:35,270 --> 00:59:32,559
and it's got it it's got a um a

1599
00:59:36,789 --> 00:59:35,280
graveyard attached uh not attached

1600
00:59:38,950 --> 00:59:36,799
it's a short walk but graveyard in the

1601
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:38,960
village and some stuff's happened there

1602
00:59:41,589 --> 00:59:39,839
too

1603
00:59:43,109 --> 00:59:41,599
strange stuff of course i've been pumped

1604
00:59:44,710 --> 00:59:43,119
there's a lot of old pubs they've got a

1605
00:59:46,870 --> 00:59:44,720
lot of history like a lot of

1606
00:59:49,190 --> 00:59:46,880
hotels with people that have been

1607
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:49,200
through them and everything yes

1608
00:59:52,950 --> 00:59:50,880
well i mean the the walls you know these

1609
00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:52,960
walls everything's energy isn't it yeah

1610
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:55,680
as as einstein said everything is energy

1611
01:00:00,230 --> 00:59:57,440
nothing nothing is solid yeah you're

1612
01:00:02,870 --> 01:00:00,240
right no walls soak up energy they soak

1613
01:00:05,270 --> 01:00:02,880
up thoughts and feelings and emotions

1614
01:00:06,309 --> 01:00:05,280
and and i think sometimes they re

1615
01:00:08,470 --> 01:00:06,319
they

1616
01:00:10,069 --> 01:00:08,480
reverberate you know into the atmosphere

1617
01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:10,079
i don't think it's always an intelligent

1618
01:00:13,270 --> 01:00:11,920
haunting i think sometimes it's just

1619
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:13,280
like um

1620
01:00:16,950 --> 01:00:14,880
something like you know it's been

1621
01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:16,960
recorded just playing over and over

1622
01:00:21,349 --> 01:00:19,440
again yeah it's like the richard felix

1623
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:21,359
uh the theory isn't it uh well i suppose

1624
01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:23,760
he's the only one that said it but uh he

1625
01:00:27,589 --> 01:00:25,920
talks about a lot of recordings in

1626
01:00:29,910 --> 01:00:27,599
castle walls and things like that yeah

1627
01:00:32,069 --> 01:00:29,920
yeah you know yeah it's but there's

1628
01:00:33,670 --> 01:00:32,079
nothing actually you know it's just a

1629
01:00:36,069 --> 01:00:33,680
replay

1630
01:00:37,990 --> 01:00:36,079
there's nothing actually um intelligent

1631
01:00:39,829 --> 01:00:38,000
about the haunting

1632
01:00:41,589 --> 01:00:39,839
you know it's not uh

1633
01:00:43,829 --> 01:00:41,599
a grounded

1634
01:00:46,950 --> 01:00:43,839
soul as it were

1635
01:00:48,630 --> 01:00:46,960
stuck here unable to go to the light

1636
01:00:52,630 --> 01:00:48,640
you know

1637
01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:52,640
so fascinating absolutely fascinating

1638
01:00:55,670 --> 01:00:53,760
but it is

1639
01:00:59,190 --> 01:00:55,680
anyway after talking to you i'm going to

1640
01:01:02,789 --> 01:01:00,710
because i'll find them faster i'm going

1641
01:01:05,109 --> 01:01:02,799
to have to do it i'm not just saying

1642
01:01:06,549 --> 01:01:05,119
that either i'll mean it

1643
01:01:07,990 --> 01:01:06,559
so hopefully if i ever run into you you

1644
01:01:11,990 --> 01:01:08,000
have to come and do a big signing

1645
01:01:15,510 --> 01:01:14,230
but um yeah i would say i may well meet

1646
01:01:16,710 --> 01:01:15,520
you on one of these ghost hunts because

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i do intend to go on some of these

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swallow up ghost hunts in fact if i'm

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01:01:21,910 --> 01:01:20,480
going online i'll let you know and uh

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yeah let me know which ones you're going

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01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:23,760
on yeah it's uh yeah i do intend to do

1652
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that because my wife likes them as well

1653
01:01:29,510 --> 01:01:27,520
so it's uh yeah yeah my husband likes to

1654
01:01:31,270 --> 01:01:29,520
know how's my son funny enough he loves

1655
01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:31,280
it yeah that's right

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so yeah but um anyways shane it's been

1657
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fantastic talking to you thanks so much

1658
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for finding the time to come on and as i

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01:01:42,150 --> 01:01:39,920
say i'll probably have it i will put

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links on the paranormal dimensions page

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and um

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01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:46,480
yeah it's been great and i do hope to

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01:01:49,829 --> 01:01:48,720
run into you at some point and uh yeah

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01:01:53,910 --> 01:01:49,839
definitely

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keep keep you posted which ones you're

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01:01:56,950 --> 01:01:55,359
going through yeah stay until stay in

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touch and um

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i'll let you let you go now thank you

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very much for coming on

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thank you thank you very much bye-bye

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01:02:06,789 --> 01:02:04,240
thank you very much bye bye-bye bye

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there we are that was shaney strothers

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very much enjoyed that i hope you did

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01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:10,319
too you've been listening to paranormal

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01:02:14,230 --> 01:02:12,400
dimensions on the paranormal uk radio

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01:02:16,390 --> 01:02:14,240
network i'm david young thank you for

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01:02:18,789 --> 01:02:16,400
listening join me again next week thank

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01:02:21,190 --> 01:02:18,799
you bye-bye paranormal dimensions this

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01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:21,200
is bright and powerful as our celestial

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star the south and although it's

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01:02:28,390 --> 01:02:25,440
expending thousands of pounds of energy

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01:02:30,390 --> 01:02:28,400
every minute of the day have no fear

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01:02:31,050 --> 01:02:30,400
there's plenty left

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01:02:36,660 --> 01:02:31,060
[Applause]

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[Music]

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paranormal dimensions is a regular